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Friday, October 8th, 2010

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Currently the 5 most media known Tea Party candidates all believe that abortion is never OK, not even in cases of incest or rape.

On the Tea Party Patriots blog, there’s a 5 point “test” they want Tea Party Members to submit which gives you their general stance on abortion & women’s reproductive rights:

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/BlogPostView.aspx?id=0758a810…

And in General, the abortion issue is arguably a very central issue when it comes to internal GOP politics, and why so many moderates have been given the boot during this election year. This is a good new republic article that talks about this to some detail.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/77748/abortion-and-the-…

So my question to you is, whether or not you are a Tea Party member, Democrat, or Republican, do you believe our government should outlaw abortion? (i.e. repeal roe v. wade) even in cases of incest or rape? Does it matter to you if a candidate you support believes so?

MouthOne

Firstly, I am astonished anyone – specifically TeaBaggers – thinks they have a say about what I do with my body. Hypocritical on their part and angers me to the core. Most of them are obese and I don’t get to tell them what crap they can put into their bodies.

And Secondly I will echo the stance of several very smart women – I do not believe men get to be part of the decision about abortion unless they are invited to the discussion by their sexual “partner”…period

Finally I would like GOPers et al to use the words “child rape by a family member” instead of incest. I don’t think “incest” carries the weight it should.

The Other Guy

Sounds like a bunch of baloney generated by the dems and repubs. The Tea Party is based on fiscal responsibility. Abortion is a non-issue always pulled in by opponents to generate sympathy for their own candidates. I would vote for the Tea Party candidate provided that they supported the goals of reigning in the national debt and cut off the Wall Street banks currently sucking the middle class dry. Abortion, gay marriage, etc. is BS they pull in every election cycle. Thank Karl Rove for this garbage.

Original Poster

The reason I asked this initially is that many of my friends are “fascinated” by the tea party, and in the spirit of vetting people and their real views, I wanted to bring this out. I don’t think the general public who sees Tea party politics on TV understands just how fundamentalist the core of this “party” really is. Many of the candidates that are being propped forward right now in tea party spots are very strict about their views on abortion, and not only is it causing a fracture with moderate republicans, but on a human level it’s just repugnant.

The Other Guy

OP…I understand your skepticism of this party…but believe me, a lot of what you hear and see regarding this party is media propaganda. The Republicans have made many efforts to hijack this party…first by forming their own branches of the Tea Party, and now by basically painting a picture of a party populated by extremists. This is far from the truth. You need to look at the roots of where this party came from…then ask yourself whether abortion, gay marriage, witchcraft…etc. etc. was actually considerd at all as part of the reason for its formation. It is pure politcal BS. Despite the well meaning intentions of the party, there are still going to be bad candidates (this goes for all political parties). Don’t vote for the party, vote for the candidate.

MouthOne

Show me where the Tea Baggers aren’t all about social issues. Angle, O’Donnell, Rand Paul, Palin – wouldn’t understand fiscal responsibility if it bit them in the ass. They in fact have no platform. They are angry. And? Who isn’t? 12% unemployment, record foreclosures, schools closing due to no funding…dare I go on?

In fact, they just don’t want to pay taxes (when 1/2 of Americans already pay ZERO federal tax) and the majority of self-identified TeaBaggers are white, middle aged, moneyed men. I’d also say racist but racism isn’t limited to the TeaBaggers.

OG

All I know is that both the Republicans and the Democrats have sent trillions of dollars off to Wall Street with absolutely zero hope of recovering it. This leaves us and many future generations with the burden of this debt. Wall Street milked the U.S. under Bush due to all the de-regulation…housing, as an economic “bright spot”, was all that Bush brought to the table. Unfortunately, it was a ponzi scheme based on fraudulent activity. Obama has felt a strong need to continue Bush’s economic policies…so far with little impact on Wall Street. They’ve had “perfect quarters” this year…with all the fat cats taking home billions in bonuses that they would not have received had the taxpayers not bailed them out.

The only party that has decided to take this to task has been the Tea Party…inded, their platform was formed around the idea that the government should not be backstopping the banks on Wall Street and manipulating the housing market. The federal reserve and treasury need to be audited to find out where all this money went…Ben Bernanke is keeping tight lipped on who received the money…because he thinks it will “spook” the markets….BS.  The debt is going to choke this country…education, police, fire fighters, teachers…and all public services will and are suffering because of this. At the same time, Wall Street will at no time have ever been better off…

Your constant use of the term “Tea Bagger” tells me a lot about you. Each instance of a political party in this country strengthens the country by adding checks and balances to the system. Personally, I am left of center with my politics…but in my opinion, this financial situation we find ourselves in is actually the number 1 issue that needs to be addressed. Regulation needs to be brought back in…but I don’t know if the Tea Party is willing to do this….certainly the Republicans will not. The Dems are dropping the ball here. A shock to the system may be just what is needed to get the wheels turning again. This country is owned by the people, not Wall Street, and this point needs to be made.

MouthOne

Mmmkay. It shouldn’t tell you anything about me personally other than the fact I can be quite amusing at times. I don’t use Tea Party simply because they have NO affiliation with the goals of the original Tea Party. It is offensive really and I try to be funny rather that scathing about it. And I would appreciate not being attacked personally unless you are prepared for me to go there too.

So the solution is to remove everyone from office right? Or create new parties? So much of the vitriol this year comes from generalized disappointment in Obama. He hasn’t been strong enough or fast enough or extreme enough. Sadly folks were caught up in the idea of him being the second coming that they didn’t really pay attention to his stances on “clean coal” or education. He isn’t my favorite because he has been surrounded with Clinton cronies who lack new ideas. With Rham out of the picture finally perhaps we will be able to move things ahead. That said, I know I am better off than if Grandpa and Wasilla Barbie had won.

Are you aware of the influence that Wall Street has in Washington? The numbers of lobbyists has risen tenfold in the last two years. Yes the system is broken but just replacing everyone isn’t the answer. Making sensible choices is the only answer. Your choices this year include choosing between Meg “I’ve only voted a few times cause I couldn’t be bothered” Whitman and Jerry “I know I seem a bit stoned” Brown. Personally I would go with the one most likely to understand how governments are set up. And they are NOT corporations. Or even better Barbara “I’m sort of a cheerleader” Boxer and Carly “I’m all about me and mine” Fiorina – there are lesser evils in not just replacing everyone with the opposite. Mob rule worked briefly for the French… and then they returned to exactly where they started from before heads rolled…

OG

Ok…I will give you the benefit of the doubt…and I am in agreement with you in regard to picking sensible candidates. My response to Paulson, when he told our government that we need to bailout Wall Street or suffer economic collapse was pure anger. He should have known what was going down in the housing market…him, as well as Greenspan, Bernanke, Geithner, Summers,Rubin, etc. are all culpable. It’s absolutely sickening. 10~20% annual return on a fricken house? WTF! How could that not tell you something was wrong?? The problem here is that it wasn’t just the politicians who benefitted from this…it was everyone who saw the bubble and flipped a house or two. For all these dopes who obviously knew what was going on and did nothing…they need to be held responsible. There is not a single incumbent what will make an effort to correct this problem…that is my bet. Even with laws on the books that prevented banks with low capital reserves to function…this was allowed to continue, and the banks got bailed out. They still do not have enough capital with regard to all the bad debt out there…yet still they survive, and swallow up smaller banks who were not blessed enough to know the right people in government.

So…even if the Tea Party is successful, they will not manage enough people to get their agenda through. The main benefit we will get from it is an awakening to all those incumbents that remain…that they serve us, not vice-versa. Before I vote for any Tea Party candidate, I will vett them…of course they can’t be a loon…that goes without saying.

MouthOne

Wow…thanks for the magnanimity…perhaps you should read my words instead of assuming we are on different sides…

And just for a little info, I spend HOURS faxing and calling my Senators and Congresswoman before TARP passed demanding that they not agree to any bailouts. I am more of an activist than most and I suspect that just because folks have views that they feel open to sharing online, doesn’t mean they actively attempt to make change occur. I do hope that Elizabeth Warren is able to make strides and from what I’ve seen, she’s pretty levelheaded.

Geithner and Bernake and Paulson should be strung up in my book.

OG    

I did read your words..and at first they came across as bitter and vitriolic…at least towards the Tea Party. Who am I to know what is in your mind?
It is good to know we are in agreement then…and thanks for your efforts.

MouthOne
I will make one last comment. My bitterness or in fact as my husband says my being “astringent” is mine to own and not for you to judge. I come by who I am honestly and without apology. I will continue to be “bitter” and realistic so the world might become a better place for the children in my world since it is a mess right now.

You are correct that you do not know my mind because you have never met me. Good reason to not make personal judgments about folks who you see a post written by.
OG

You should probably drop this…my opinion as well is just as valid as yours…and your comment regarding the Tea Party members was derogatory. If you don’t know what Tea Bagging is…perhaps you should watch Will Ferrell in Step Brothers.

MouthOne

Opinions differ from personal judgments. And at no point did I invalidate your opinion or your right to it. I see that you take offense at being called a Teabagger. Others coined the phrase well before Will Ferrell…

OG
This is my last comment. I gave you the benefit of the doubt…that should suffice. The fact that you claim “Teabagger” is a word that existed prior to Will Ferrel’s usage of it is complete nonsense…that term’s been around a lot longer than the existence of the tea party. It is derogative…and I did judge you based on your usage of it. Like I said…I don’t know you, you don’t know me, but you feel entitled to use this term freely…and expect your opinion not to be judged. Don’t be naive here…
MouthOne

Good bye OG. I will miss your thoughts and your gift of benevolence in allowing me to have an opinion. Have a swell day.
BTW for more information about the sex act referred to above and how it was coined go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wi…ki/Tea_bag_%28sexual_act%29

OG

Whatever MouthOne…feel free to continue using these derogatory remarks (and throw in “retard”, “faggot”, etc. while you are at it…)…I’m sure it makes your opinions stand out as gleaming examples of intellect that shine above all others…

MouthOne

Thanks I guess. I am not really much of a name caller so I will refuse your permission to use the phrases you offer. I like to think of myself as having a dry sense of allusive humor ie my use of TeaBagger.

OG

You shouldn’t think of my permission as a mandate…think of it as a suggestion generated by your own logic….after all, making fun of people is hilarious…har har har…

MouthOne Actually the funny thing is that the discussion was pulled from rape, incest and abortion to your perspective of me. That is sad and indicative of how America is failing these days. Again OG, good bye. Seriously. GoodBye. No…I really mean it. GoodBye now.